What’s the difference between america and yogurt?
If u leave yogurt alone for 200 years it will develop a culture
this was like the sickest burn I’ve ever seen
Why don’t dogs get to see the world too?
This dog is literally smiling.
Oh my god
Crit shaming OR squee shaming fans is not okay. Telling people what to think or how to feel is not okay either, especially when it gives one faction of fans permission to beat up on those even more who have different views. This is an ongoing problem in the Supernatural fandom and posting ranting messages like that one do nothing but give people permission to rage on each other more than they already do.
YOU may not agree that there is problematic content on Supernatural.
YOU may not think transphobic or misogynistic statements happen.
That doesn’t mean other people feel the same way or come from the same places in life to form such opinions. What you say and how it’s perceived, especially when you have the platform of celebrity, means people are going to feel out different meanings behind your words. No matter if you think your jokes and statements aren’t problematic, other people are hurt by them (which is a matter of routine with Supernatural actors, powers that be, etc.) and that is the problem—invalidating people’s very real feelings.
Misogynistic statements about women and tactless jokes concerning LGBTQA people can and do happen, even by those who count themselves as allies or not misogynistic otherwise. It’s important to listen to why people get hurt and learn from how those moments are perceived instead of shouting, “If you don’t like it, go away!” That’s not a solution.
In response to those touting the “WATCH ANOTHER SHOW” mantra, I refer to my friends’ statements on that.
My friend angel_kink on Twitter summed things up very well.
Is it POSSIBLE to be able to analyze media without being told to just “watch another show?” Or is that the only option? Can you analyze something critically, still enjoy media despite the critical interpretation, and NOT be told to just stop watching? I would also like to point out that it’s possible to have women on a show without that directly being related to romance. I would also like to point out that it’s possible to have romance on a show with only men. I would also like to point out that being a woman is not an insult.
Additionally, my friend xceteras on Twitter summed up things quite clearly as well.
Women, LGBTQA, persons of color, and other marginalized groups CAN’T just “quit watching” and go to another show if there isn’t diversity in TV. And how do we achieve that diversity? Through raising important social issues when necessary, i.e. criticism. It’s not as simple as “you go make something you like then” when there are systems of power in place that keep the same groups producing the same content. Criticizing the things that we love is a way to encourage them to be better.
In conclusion: just because you don’t like how we responded to what happened and you don’t see the continued problematic content on Supernatural doesn’t mean we’re wrong. It doesn’t mean you’re wrong either. It means our life experiences are different than yours and those life experiences affect the way we see the media.
Clarification: I do not feel that these people are, in their everyday lives, misogynistic or homophobic or whatever else people shout about them. Others do and that’s just how they feel. I do, however, feel things they sometimes say have undertones that come across in problematic ways when their fan base is predominantly female or LGBTQA. It is problematic and routinely hurts large numbers of fans even if they’re not intending it to be that way. And the show does have problematic elements such as a lack of diversity, killing off virtually every female character to further man pain, and content ranging from misogyny to making LGBTQAs the butt of jokes on a routine basis. I’m not here to get into all of that though.
What I am trying to say is just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening in the eyes of others and it’s not hurting large numbers of fans. No one has a right to shame others for how they view the world.
If you have criticism of storytelling elements or actors, you’re still allowed to enjoy the product as a whole.
If you’re loving storytelling elements or actors and you’re enthusiastic about them, you’re allowed to do cartwheels all you want too.
It’s no one’s place to demand that you conform to the way they think or feel, and it’s certainly no one’s place to dictate how or why you enjoy or be critical of something.
Remember that your feelings are not necessarily those of others. Trying to invalidate the way another person feels by shaming, yelling, or telling them to go away is not helping anything. The only way to overcome such vast divides is to listen to the other side with open minds and stop trying to prove everybody wrong.
Represent your fandom with dignity and grace.
(Note: this blog post is in response to this post by Aisha Tyler.)